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Windows 8: It's Almost Not Terrible

Windows 8 is a bit schizophrenic. It's not sure if it wants to live on a tablet or on a desktop. Does it work? Check out the video.

Today we installed Windows 8. I really wanted to like it. I tried to like it... It may even be cool on a tablet. But, on a desktop, it's a trainwreck. 

Before we get too far into this... Let's correct our error. During the search rant (around 4:00), we missed the other options below our search bar. We were doing it live like O'Reily and totally missed the "extra options" below search. However, the point still stands that you have to do more work to get the same results you would have gotten with Windows 7. In fact, when you search for say, printers, Windows 7 would suggest several things and it would categorize them. This forces you to look through each category. It's a major step backwards. 

Now, back to Windows 8... The real problem here is schizophrenia. It doesn't know what it wants to be. File Explorer (formerly, Windows Explorer) is amazing. There are so many little tweaks that make it much better than in Windows 7. The task manager is nicer... Everything on the desktop seems nicer. The problem is Metro... er wait, I'm not allowed to say Metro anymore. MS nixed that term. Screw it, it's Metro and it gets in the way. It is clunky and not designed for the desktop. However, MS has decided that everything must go through Metro. The result is awful. Windows 8 has to much potential, but it is being wasted. It's almost not terrible, but it is.

Check out the video and let us know what you think. 

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posted 1 year 8 months ago

If thing's didn't have to go through "metro"(sue me microsoft), it would be close to perfect imo, but it's doable i guess. I havn't tried any of the newer builds yet.. Will do when I get my new Zenbook.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Yeah, this is not so good. I have written a 'review' in a comment in the previous article about Windows 8. I am disappointed, but this was expected to be honest. It was bad in the consumer preview, and it has not improved since the previous builds that i have tried.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Agreed. "get me out of here" is the mantra. 

However, on search for, say, printer or uninstall, like in the video, you need to select the correct search results category, in this case settings. Still sucks on a desktop. 

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Don't like it seems to be a tablet port.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

I'll stick to Windows 7

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Sticking with Windows 7 for a few more years i'd imagine...

posted 1 year 8 months ago

I am really hoping they take the consumer and beta review feedback and do something about this ugly hybrid of Tablet and PC, its understandable if this beta was meant for tablet ONLY, but its not.

I don´t see any effort made into the pc version of the OS, which is a shame for both Windows and the consumer.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

yea when i used it, although being very fast and smooth, seemed as though it's 2 different OS's stitched together.  there's too much of a disconnect.  trying to find an excuse to do things on the metro side seemed to just lead to more inefficient ways of doing things on a desktop (like only being able to have two windows up at once - one at 75% screen real estate and the other 25%), so i would end up just living on the desktop side, which then made having metro there at all pretty pointless except to act as a full screen start menu.  i'm personally a fan of WP7 and what they're planning for 8, and Win8 looks really nice for tablets, but it just feels so "meh" on the desktop.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

The way you exit out of apps is, you grab the top of the screen and drag to the bottom. Pretty annoying to do so, not sure why they couldn't just include a tiny little X for the desktop. 

posted 1 year 8 months ago

I have a tripple monitor set up.  There is no way I'm going to use Windows 8 on my machines; this is awful.  It looks like I'll have to stick to Windows 7 or just make the complete jump to <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/">Linux</a>.

 

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Normally, I install the newest version of windows, while all my friends and most of the internet are screaming about how bad the newest release is. I set off with the intention of forming my own opinion, rather than jumping on the hate bandwagon.

This time though, windows didn’t make a desktop OS, they made a tablet OS. Will it work on the desktop? Sure, just from your review it’s obvious that it can do all the things that windows 7 can, the difference here, is that it takes more clicks to get it done.

I don’t mind leaning new interfaces; actually I quite enjoy the experience. But at the end of the day, I gravitate to the one that’s less cumbersome to use.  

Windows 8, and “The Interface Formerly Known as Metro”, would almost work better for some one that has never touched a PC before, that would have had a steep learning curve regardless. If you take a step back, and realize that the reason we are having trouble accepting and liking this, is because it’s so different, not because it doesn’t work as a whole.

No one is going to buy a touch screen monitor and reach out in front of them for hours on end while browsing the web. This UI should be disabled if you input method is a mouse and keyboard, and as suggested in the video, the Metro UI be limited to pressing the start button to show it until you make your selection.

Will I buy it? Yes, I probably will, because I like to torture myself on occasion.  I also have a strong feeling that the start button will make a return no matter how sales go. Also, I still have my windows 7 disk if all else fails.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

This whole mentality of homogenization they had when designing it bloody stuns me.

Anyone who has used a PC for a while would learn to detest homogenization, we're subjected to it in the form of console ports with low resolution textures, poor controls, no options menu, etc.

Why in all bloody hells would you want to subject us to this fate in our operating system?

posted 1 year 8 months ago

quote logan lol.  Windows 8 its almost not terrible lol. Yea ive been playing around with it for couple weeks and i dont like it. for a tablet pc or phone i think it be nice but i miss my damn start button too.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

I didnt buy Vista and it looks like i won't be buying Windows 8. I'll keep my start button.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Schizophrenia, thats good name for Metro...

posted 1 year 8 months ago
posted 1 year 8 months ago

nope... I checked out severl fixes like this (including this one) and none of them work on this new version of Windows. They probably worked on the older version where the start button was still there, just disabled... it's freaking gone in this new version. We are going to have to wait for developers to make a start button replacement... not sure if we can disable the metro garbage. We shall see. 

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Oh oke, well time will show.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

after watching the video, really is a shame they shove metro down your throats on a mouse/keyb experience.  the desktop side seems to have had a lot of nice work put into it.  i guess i'll wait until this gets hacked and manipulated to boot straight to the desktop and either turn metro into a better start screen when needed or just bring back the start button.  for now i'm having fun skinning Windows 7 lol

posted 1 year 8 months ago

It looks like what they've done is said Windows 7 made it easy for the user to work with. Now lets make the user do backflips and frontflips and loops and duck and bullet time bullet dodges to do the exact same thing. GENUIS! 

posted 1 year 8 months ago

why not windows have for non-touch desktops have it scroll UP AND DOWN

And fix the over clicking!

ALSO maybe a 50-50 split

AND FINALLY maybe add the fancy new icons to the desktop??

posted 1 year 8 months ago

its like vista all over again then next operating system will be like 8 but cleaned up how 7 is to vista lol.

And bring me back my start button they at least could have made it a option to turn on or off.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

I'm sticking to windows 7 from here on and also windows XP for my older programs

posted 1 year 8 months ago

can we TURN OFF the b.s. "metro" ???

posted 1 year 8 months ago

yeah this shit insults my intelligence too. fucking hate metro! fucking hate it, that is for desktops of course.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Look at the bright side! Alt+Tab still works!

posted 1 year 8 months ago

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Out of curiosity since you're using a dual monitor set up can you tell me if you can run a regular windows desktop on one monitor and a metro/windows ui app on the other (specifically the weather app)?

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Yes you can - you can also run a metro app on the 1/5 side of a screen and normal desktop apps on the rest (nice for email where i don't need it to take 1/2 the screen but would like to see subject lines as they arrive), or my music player for the play list.

One thing I found odd in the video is they didn't like the all apps thing.. but really 10 minutes and you can just PIN all the apps you use to the start menu and move all the metro apps to the right OR remove them.  I have every app i use daily on the start menu in sections DevTools, OfficeCrap/ImageTools, Games, Misc, then the active tiles (weather/feeds etc) and finally the 'metro' apps - this way I don't even notice metro exists unless i really want to.

Another trick that I did within the first 5 minutes of having Win8 - goto the desktop and create a new shortcut that points to IE, renamed it "IE (Desktop)" and pinned it to the start menu - then removed the metro IE tile.  This way you click IE you get the desktop IE with tabs. I spend more time tweeking win7 after a fresh install than I've spent on win8 - but I imagine that will go up once I go live with win8 and install all my programs.  It would be nice to have an option for newly installed program to auto-pin the main program to the start menu - but for the 10seconds it takes to do it after install it isn't that big a deal.

After those changes other than the start menu, I saw no 'metro' for a full day working on win8.  All the under-the-hood changes and the taskbar changes are well worth the effort to PIN apps to the start menu.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

sounds logical and like it works well.  i was thinking of getting windows 8 and setting it up similar, if only the computer could boot straight to desktop.  the improvements, refining, and tweaking on the desktop side + all the under the hood performance changes/optimizations seem too good to pass up even with metro.  i'm still on the fence.  i'd also love to use linux on a regular basis (assuming steam and it's entire library are brought to linux as Gabe Newell said, but even if Valve pulls that off it won't be for  a while).

posted 1 year 8 months ago

I never got windows 7 becasue I already had Vista which to be honest I find great, Iv never had a problem with it ever. But I dont think I'll be getting Windows 8 since I can do everything I want on Vista at the moment and the only reason I got Vista in the first place was so I could play Dx10 games! :D

 

posted 1 year 8 months ago

@Ark I think their biggedst issue is pretty much ease of use. Microsoft took Windows 7 and basically turned it into MS Bob for both the tablet and the standard PC. I'd imagine that once they spent more than an hour/day "playing" with the new interface they would get use to the differences and find more of the things they liked rather than spout on and on about the things they don't.

I think if we were using more tablets for our day-to-day tasks (read: productivity NOT games) and had access to touchscreens such as the surface (or the MS Table or whatever that thing was called) there may be more people embracing the new UI but as it is we're "stuck" on the desktop for the moment.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

I agree it's a shock when you first load it up - the previews I tried had me hating the whole idea of metro.  After installing RTM and just making the leap to set it up how I want it was pretty quick and easy to get it to a point where other than the size of the start menu I can't really say which is better the win7 or the win8 setup.  Maybe once i get everything installed on it i'll see other issues with the start menu that you don't notice right away.  But one idea that i've been thinking of is writing a shortcut container for the metro UI - no doubt someone else will as well - that would I think solve the main issue people have with it. I like the size of the start menu in Win8 over Win7 because I like to pin all my important apps to it as well as my MAIN apps to the taskbar. 

These are shots just after i finished installing win8/vs2012 and fooled around for a few minutes. The second shows a nice example of your original question - dual monitors with metro/desktop apps. 

My Start Setup

Apps

posted 1 year 8 months ago

<body><p>Lol first they try to stick desktop UI on phones now they try to stick tablet UI on the desktop, they are mobile losers. Their anti competitive practices dumping patents to other linux hostile entities so they can patent troll by proxy like MOSAID, vringo and their previous exec's led intellectual properties or whatever it's called patent trolling and mono writing MS code into linux, infiltrating Nokia and destroying it's competing OS's and trying to bankrupt it so it can use Nokia's huge patent portfolio to patent troll even more. MS disgusts me. After being a long time customer on the PC I just nuked it off my computer and switched to linux.

posted 1 year 8 months ago

Time to get use to this for me

posted 1 year 8 months ago

This might moderate the over all suck factor a bit.

http://gizmodo.com/5936158/synaptics-forcepad-your-future-windows-8-trac...

posted 1 year 5 months ago

Want a start menu in Windows 8? Get Classic Shell. It's free, gives you three styles of menu, the old Win 9x type (like 95B with IE4's enhancements), XP style or Win 7 style. You can set it to have the default start menu open when clicking the button or Classic Shell's menu, with the other one available by holding Shift then clicking - or hold Shift + WinKey or Shift + Ctrl + Esc for those of use still using a WinKey-free keyboard. (Such as my FK-9000 with built in calculator and 12 macro programmable function keys.)

It also puts back things in Explorer and IE that Microsoft, in their wis-dumb, removed.

Classic Shell works with Vista, 7 and 8.

posted 1 year 5 months ago

This. Right here. I was downloading my normal programs (http://ninite.com/). Saw classic start and its fantastic. I haven't ran into a problem with Windows 8 yet. So far i love Windows 8

posted 1 year 5 months ago

Logan, I used to have respect for you on those tigerdirect videos.  Turns out you're a fumbling retard that can't use a damn PC OS properly.  Get with the times, man.

Anyone with any desire to be anything more than a drooling chimpanzee of a human being has given the OS a chance to realize it is the culmination of billions of dollars of earnest engineering effort.  And you just shit all over it without knowing the slightest thing about what you're talking about, pretending to be some sort of expert.  There's no intelligent discussion to be had here.  I'm out.

posted 1 year 1 month ago

I want that desktop background/screen saver. Do you have a link to it <3

 
posted 1 year 1 month ago

@SOMEGUY90 YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A FUCKING EXPERT. IT IS HIS IMPRESSION OF WINDOWS 8, IT IS A PILE OF STEAMING SHIT AND IS THE BIGGEST PAIN IN THE ASS EVER TO COME NEAR COMPUTING. 

Seriously. He is doing his opinion on it. How the fuck do you do anything with no start menu? How could somebody even be freaking 'expert'. Windows 8 is shit. There's nothing more to it. I don't know why anybody could bare to install it, I'd fucking kill myself vefore i did it.

 
posted 1 year 1 month ago

Just go download classic shell to get your start menu button back, then download a convenient windows 7 skin for it (mostly for the icon, although you can really choose any icon you want for it, so long as it has the three icon states in the same image file stacked vertically.) If I recall correctly, this also gives you, under the advanced options, the capacity to have it skip the boot sequence into "metro". I still have no good way of eliminating the charms bar, although I do hope someone does, because it is a horrible abomination of UI design. Which is why I'm still on Windows 7. And if anyone else hasn't noticed, Windows 7 isn't actually all that much better than Windows Vista, sure it is a little more efficient at handling certain memory operations, but it really didn't change enough, and I preferred the appearance of Vista. Although they are so similar that it's really just nitpicking. And the main problem that Vista had, or that people seem to think Vista had, Windows 7 still has. It is still going to ask you for your permission to do anything and everything, at every conceivable opportunity.

posted 11 months 3 weeks ago

LOGAN!!! READ!!! IMPORTANTE!!!

With the new service pack coming soon and the romours with the code leak holding info on changes to the metro start and return of the start button, did you consider that Microsoft fucked up Windows 8 on purpose? Like, seriously, with the major changes coming, don't you think its possible that they took away the start button so people would have to use the metro start so they could find what was  wrong with it? Really, when you set up people on a new OS that has so many obvious problems, granted the driver issues was stupid but really, especially for a company centered around programming, it seems like they basically created a forced group to test the metro start to learn what was wrong with it and fix it, and once they had the data they needed to get user input they would return the coveted start button, along with a better metro start. And seeing as the info is coming from the users themselves, and not a focus group, it would be like gold for them.

 

posted 11 months 3 weeks ago

So you are implying that Microsoft put out an untested revamp of their operating system? Let me make sure that we are clear on what you are saying here. Their operating system. Their entire interface for computers. From the mot popular and sucessful operating system maker ever. They put out a revamp without having tested it. That is what you are saying? If you honestly believe that...... I just don't even. Focus groups are a thing for a reason - so that you don't ruin your name/public image with a potentially awful product. Basically to prevent what you are suggesting. If they really did that on purpose, then they deserve the shit that they are getting for it. Of course they are going to make a service pack for it. There are always issues to be fixed. And them changing the metro layout is just admitting that their experiment failed and that they put out a shitty product. No matter how you look at it, Win8 was a dumb move. I see what they were trying to do with making it more "user-friendly," less intimidating, and copying Apple's look, but seriously. Win8 was meant for tablets and Microsoft screwed themselves out of the tablet market like dumbasses. 2012: The year Microsoft shot themselves in the foot.

posted 11 months 3 weeks ago

I cant believe microsoft sacraficed productivity on the desktop, their main market is the desktop. Still using 7 here but i got 8 on a laptop and its even worse with a touchpad.

Its like they just wanted to make it more quirky with apps bouncing around and smiling at you and all those damn colors it may work to entertain/mezmerize a child but as was stated when you actually want to get work done and switch between tasks a lot its a monstrosity!!