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Build a $450 Gaming PC - Kill Your Console Build One

Here is a quality APU-based system for around $450. The price is probably cheaper now. Check it out and watch for the next build video.

Here are the parts:

Motherboard options

The rest of the system:

We have several builds coming soon (shot and edited). Let us know what you think.

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posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

I probably wouldn't build this.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Me either, this build is even less powerful than the next gen consoles.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

not necessarily.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

source?

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

We all knowe the next console will have 8 cores

They have said nothing about the performance of them. Okay they said frequencies yes,... so unless this archetexture is from the future i see no possible way for an 8core (rather 6 core because 2 are for OS) 1.75Ghz (xbox) to out perform a 4.1Ghz quad core.

These next gen consoles will have 8 cores but they're not going to be powerful

HOWEVER- if we're talking GPU performance yes. This lacks Tflops comparted to the PS4. But keep in mind FLOPS arn't everything there are alot more factors that go into calculating performance. For example. a 7970 and 680 are on about par we all can agree. HOW CAN THAT BE?! the 7970 has 512 more cores and 1Tflop more compute power. Nvidia has it optimized.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

When it comes to consoles they can optimize the game for the specific hardware because everyone uses the same hardware unlike PC.  Games should run a lot better on a PS4 than an APU build.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

better hardware level optimization is coming to GCN architectures. MANTLE

posted 6 months 2 weeks ago

1) The PS4 has GDDR5.

2) It's soldered directly to the PCB with minimal distance from the APU (optimal latency), and it is shared for both system and graphics memory.

3) As Logan said with the 7970, it's just stupid fast -- same concept with controller ports, storage and a Sony Logo, but even better due to the APU's design advantage of higher performance per watt.

4) There is no overhead for all of the bloat that comes with Windows or most Linux distributions.

5) The numbers you have mentioned mean nothing when compared with a more efficient design, unless we're talking about overall efficiency.

 

Some people are still willing to take the abuse of over-priced games and slow hardware release cycles for the aforementioned conveniences because they don't realize how far ahead GPU's are, and it's nearly impossible for them to do so when the honest developers like Carmack and Garriott are out-numbered and ignored by the greed that comes from companies like EA and Rockstar. Even Bethesda and Blizzard have been flirting with that line lately, but not bad enough piss off everyone, just people who know better.

I'm not saying their games are bad, but they're not worth what they demand for "DLC" and "Expansion" packs.

Think of it like this: What you see PC game companies do with planned DLC and expansions release like Bethesda does... The console developers do that more frequently and try to pass it off as an entirely new game -- Call of Duty.

 

If they don't do that, they'll hire an army of code monkeys who are fresh out of college with a fat amount of debt and under-pay them to pump out GTA after GTA over years at a time completely screwing them over and using them to market to little kids who don't care about anything other than the visual and audio stimulation they get from "blowing shit up" on a TV with a controller. It's really awful.

 

It's like they're heavily modding their own games and charging people for it instead of just offering the DLC as options, and the console manufacturers like Microsoft and Sony make the customers pay a premium for storage space on the console in order to lay that groundwork for the planned "DLC" releases or planned sequels. It's really shady, but they justify by their own means and say things like "oh, we are employing so many people who have families and blah blah blah" which is just the excuse. That's another advantage of the PC over the console -- expandability. One has the freedom experiment with some open-source stuff, too.

A lot of people just don't realize it's all happening because they either don't care or don't want to put in the effort to, but they're free to do that, too. I try to look at it like natural selection without a less cynical outlook. ^__^

posted 6 months 2 weeks ago

GDDR5 means not too much for the CPU which is what i was saying. this build does not compare in graphics power. The consoles would win. GDDR5 by nature has a much MUCH higher latency than DDR3 it doesn't matter what it's proximity is too much if the chips themselves have the latency. CPUs need the responsiveness of the low latency. and besides. we've seen tests where memory speeds don't really do all too much.

*Both systems are APUs

posted 5 months 3 weeks ago

Just so you know, GDDR5 memory would be insaaaanely slow if it were used as system memory. Like, stupidly slow. Plus, am I the only one who realizes that GDDR5 system memory really isn't possible, or am I just out of the loop and you can buy DIMM DDR5 memory?

posted 6 months 2 weeks ago

games playable what fps on low settings ?

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

yeah it surely isn't the quietest case...

And why not a FM2+ Motherboard?

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

I have been very tempted to make a living room machine based on the A10 for quite some time. Adding a GPU down the road is a great way to keep up to date. 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Or, how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Great movie, Kubrick was a madman of film. I wanted to use a pic of strangelove as my avatar, but Wendell already has that going on, haha. 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

It says "CLICK TO SEEL ALL THE 'KILL YOUR CONSOLE' VIDEOS".

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Great video.

I just want to throw this out here though for anyone looking to build a system like this and who are willing to go through the mail in rebate process.  Right now Newegg has the Corsair CX430 power supply on sale only $19.99 after the $20 mail in rebate. I've used this power supply quite a few times and it has always worked well and Corsair is very fast on getting the rebate out. So just putting that out there if you are willing to go through the rebate process. 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

At this price you could honestly do a LOT better.  With a $450 budget you can easily fit a 7870ghz edition, I just put this build together and it would absolutely crush and APU build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1IzyQ

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

$450 budget

makes a $488 build

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

What are you even talking about.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

http://i.imgur.com/A7Fp0bd.png

Keep in mind that the price of said system will vary HUGELY depending on where you are. The higher price being a better estimate.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Well it gives extra options to people who live in that area so I don't see the problem.

posted 6 months 1 week ago

 im sure people want there Pc to actually turn on . That will not happen trying to put a AM3+ CPU into a FM2 motherboard . There is at least 4 builds people suggesting in this topic that are not going to work they all have Athlon Cpu's and FM2 motherboards . (UPDATE)!!!!! im a idiot i got it all wrong there is Athlon's for FM2  i had know idea AMD released them .Sorry Everyone

posted 6 months 1 week ago

Hey dude in your build you put together a AMD Athlon will not go into a FM2 motherboard .

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

I'm guessing the performance of the AMD 6800k's stock cooler is decent for someone looking to build a PC in this price range? I'm just imagining things getting quite toasty with the CPU and GPU on the same chip. 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Surprisingly it doesn't get all that hot. I've build two Richland based builds and both seem to run perfectly fine on a stock fan.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Man I missed the build videos! I hope you guys will also do an updated one for people who are willing to spend a little bit more (around 1500$ or so). Anyways, good to see that this tradition hasn't died.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

I'm going to probably remake this video very soon. We shot this over a month ago and the prices have changed so much.... Gotta find that editor to help, lol. 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

I would love to see a Canadian edition again, eh. GPU's are so much more expensive up here, must be all the snow, haha!

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago
posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

That will always be the case when looking to build a budget system.  The amount of system you get will depend on how much time and legwork you put in.  Don't forget stores like Fry's/ Micro center sometimes have great in store deals.  i picked up a 1TB segate 7200RPM barracuda drive for $40.  

Thanks for the video, love seeing budget builds and being suprized how much you can get for little cash

 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

NCIX are limiting 2 DIMMS per purchase in store and its gone way up, $85 for 8gigs  last month $65

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1IXbz

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($79.98 @ Outlet PC) 

Motherboard: ASRock FM2A75 Pro4-M Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($69.97 @ Outlet PC)

Memory: Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($65.99 @ Microcenter)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)

Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($89.99 @ Microcenter)

Case: Cooler Master NSE-200-KKN1 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)

Power Supply: Fractal Design Integra R2 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $445.89

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

I'm using this case in a build for a friend right now, and it is so nice. It's really optimized and has great air flow in the case. You also get USB 3.0 in the front and have 4 different places to put an SSD in the case that aren't in the HDD cage itself. You can take you the hard drive cage too. It also has the capability of supporting a 120 push-pull radiator in the front of the system. The only small thing with the case is that you do not have a lot of room in the back, so both the 8 pin and 24 pin connector will have to go in the front of the case, but everything else fits in back. It also has a lock buckle if you wanted to take the case to LAN parties and protect your stuff! At such a cheap price too!

This is a video to show that the case can do a push-pull water cooling in the front and a really in detail review of the case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S5SpE62HDE

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Yes its much nicer than the fractal case's ive used a fair amount of them now thay are nice to work in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5mro17ZgZo

posted 6 months 1 week ago

I almost wish this forum had a reputation system, just to I could neg you for suggesting 1600 MHz RAM on 2 slots for a platform that is optimized with a high RAM clock speed on 2 slots, but I realize that humans are all capable of mistakes. Seriously though, with the AMD APU's, 1600 MHz for 4 slots and 1866 MHz for 2 slots until the memory controllers are improved.

I know you're trying to be helpful, but lay off the pot if you're going to let things as crucial as the price of optimizing memory for a system build become influenced, man ;D

 

I am saying that with 100% seriousness because I used to toke myself YEARS ago, and I stopped when I realized how much of a passion I have for studying Computer Science and Software Engineering. If it is any consent, I minored in Philosophy in order to appeal to my inner stoner mentality.

 

Good luck! ^__^

posted 6 months 1 week ago

Stay off the pipe kiddo.

posted 6 months 1 week ago

Guys you are all going to get people to buy FM2 motherboards that are not compatible with a AMD Athlon CPU's ' you need a AM3+ motherboard .They same price if not cheaper just thought id clear that up before someone try's jamming a Athlon CPU into a FM2 motherboard

posted 6 months 1 week ago

Sigh *Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core* is a FM2 cpu 

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-Athlon%20II%20X4%20750K.html

posted 6 months 1 week ago

Omg i feel like a complete retard ' i was replying to people on the forum telling them a Athlon Cpu would not work on FM2 Board .I had no idea AMD released Athlon's for the FM2 socket .MASSIVE FACEPALM sorry anyone i replied to on the forum i'm actually cringing here .

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Just stopped by to tell you that if you are USA citizen and use pcpartpicker.com, you can save LOADS of MUNAY! As previously mentioned, you can get much more for 450$. Especially if you use Mail in Rebates ( i recommend doing so, so i came up with this build that has -70$ just with rebates )

For example, this build for 454 US Dollars:

Fx-6300

MSI 970A-G43

Corsair Vengenace LP 8gb

500 Gb barracuda HDD

MSI Radeon 7870 Ghz

Cooler Master HAF 912 Case

i500 CM power supply 500W 80+ bronze

Link with all components and combos: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1IWJo Cheers and i hope you mention pcpartpicker and combo deals on next show Logan :)

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Thats $600 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Base Total:$596.92 Promo Discounts:-$20.00 Combo Discounts:-$52.00 Mail-in Rebates:-$70.00 Total:$454.92
posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

THATS STILL $600!

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Total is 454.91$

But if you dont use mail in rebates, combos, and promo codes and such, yes, its 600. This is what i am trying to say :) pcpartpicker is amazing because of those. You pay 150$ less, than you would have payed without the discounts.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

I would change some things. It will be a pain in the ass because you'll have to get some parts from newegg too.

First the Power supply. You can use a corsair CX430 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 or a CX500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

And if you don't mind going with a rebate. I would choose a EVGA 600B right now. There is a promo for 5 bucks off and a 20 dollar rebate. I have used these in two builds so far and there very quiet and nice build quality.   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438014

I think the motherboard Logan has chosen is the best choice. Seeing how you can crossfire or sli. But if for some reason you want to upgrade to a FM2+ you could. 

Also say you want the quad core but a bit more graphics power and you want to spend 50 to 100 dollars more. You could replace the APU with a Athlon x4 760K   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113348 or a 750K and over clockhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113328.

Then on the graphics end I would use a XFX 7850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150641 And you get two free games.

With the CX500 and XFX rebates your below the 500 dollar limit. And remember if you don't have a Operating system windows is still 100 bucks. I don't know why no one ever includes that in the price. 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

We have another video coming tomorrow with a dedicated GPU... but the prices have changes so much in the last month (we shot this before we moved the office)...... maybe we will re-make the video.... maybe. 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

I understand. I just thought you where flying back and forth from the old office to the new one on the backs of unicorns or something like that.

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago

Unfortunately he sent his unicorns on a mission to the sun...they will be back soon. Unicorns are the best workhorses out there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYZa-70u_M 

posted 6 months 3 weeks ago