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Ivy bridge or Sandy bridge Bang for buck

| posted 1 year 11 months ago

Ivy bridge or Sandy bridge Bang for buck

Should i go with the Ivy Bridge or is the Sandy bridge best bang for the buck.

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posted 1 year 11 months ago

I've heard that it can be better to get Sandy Bridge. The reasoning behind it is that Ivy Bridge is about 10C hotter and doesn't overclock as well. I've heard that if you overclock a Sandy Bridge CPU to around 4.8Ghz, you'll get the same performance results as an Ivy at 4.5Ghz, plus Sandy Bridge just runs cooler.

At least that's what all the rumors I've heard have said. I haven't actually looked up any reviews or anything though.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

ok thanks.

 

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Bang for buck is 100% Sandy Bridge.

At the same clock speed its only a tiny bit slower, but overclcoks better with less heat, and is cheaper.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Unless you're going to overclock past 4.8Ghz, I suggest you get Ivy Bridge. You will have better performance compared to Sandy Bridge.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1242313/more-ivy-bridge-benchmarks-sandybridg...

 

Also: I am kind of dissapointed with the help that is being given on this site. It's kind of sad, people are answering other people's questions without mentioning they are just opinions, or any sources behind it.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

You arent considering the cost and "BANG FOR BUCK" which is what the OP wants to know.

He doesn't want to know which is better, he wants to know which is better FOR THE MONEY.

And the answere is very simple, Sandybridge is allot cheaper atm and performs very close to Ivybridge once both chips are overclocked without using CO2 or Nitrogen.

An i7 2600k at 4.6/4.8ghz (which is easily attainable on most chips with good air cooling) is on par or very close with an i7 3770k at 4.5ghz (which is as far as they generally go with air cooling before the temps hit dangerous levels)  But it costs a sizable chunk less money.

 

The only bit of advice that is dissapointing here is yours my friend, the OP wanted to know what is better 'bang for buck' and without hesitation it is Sandybridge.

So for you to either say IvyBridge is better Band for Buck, or to completely mis understand or not even bother to read the first post properly to then post a link to a comparison of PERFORMANCE ALONE (with liquid cooling and Liquid Nitrogen) completely IGNORING BANG FOR BUCK which is what the question is about.....  AND THEN to criticize other people's rightful advice is DUMB beyond all recognition.  

 

 

(And for the record, even in the link that you posted, when both chips are heavily overclcoekd using Liquid Nitrogen, the scores are very close at the same clock speeds even, and Ivy Bridge is nowere near better bang for buck than sandy bridge at the the price its at.

Ivybridge is on average 4-9% faster than Sandybridge at the same clock speed and even then Sandbridge is better bang for buck [although on air cooling this is irrelevant because you can overclcok Sandybridge higher so the gap is completely closed and both are on par with Sandybridge actually better in some circumstances]  and you can get Sandybridge CPUs brand new for 15% cheaper than Ivybridge and havre the same performance

= better bang for buck)

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Sorry I'm not trying to argue with anyone here, but is less than $20 really a difference in the title of "Bang for the buck" when purchasing a CPU?

(Considering he is wanting a 2500K/3570K)

posted 1 year 11 months ago

He hasn't even mentiond if he wants an i5 or i7.

You can get a 2500k for brand new $35+ less than a 3570k, and once both overclocked on your air cooler they will be on par.

With the 2600k/3770k the difference in bang for buck is more.

 

The OP didnt want to know what chip is the best, its quite clear what that answere is (specially when using Nitrogen) He wanted to know very clearly what chip is the best bang for buck, and the answere is Sandybridge.

And second hand Sandybridge is extremely better bang for buck, brand new Sandybridge is still better bang for buck but if buying new why not get the latest if you can afford it, doesnt change Sandy is better for the money though.

 

You should really read the OP and thread title properly or make sure you understand it before you comment giving wrong advice and linking to an irrelevnt comparison using LN2... and then critizing others for doing exactly what you just did and give bad advice.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Why are you getting so defensive, haha.

Anyway, do you think a 3570K @ 4.0Ghz = 2500K @ 4.0Ghz? It doesn't work that way. Yes, the ivy bridge CPUs run hotter, but not until they are overclocked past 4.6Ghz!

And yes, I greatly apologize, I did not read the OP and thread title where he stated he wanted to overclock his CPU. So once again, I apologize, you sir are correct. /sarcasm

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Maybe because you just insulted me and the other posters when you yourself were the one who was 'sad' 

 

I dont think anything like that.... not sure what you mean by that or where it came from what I just said?

With a 3570k and a 2500k at the same clock speed (for example lets say 4.2Ghz) The 3570k is about 4-8% faster.

But once you overclock both of them to the max safe/average clock on good air cooling (which is 4.6-4.8Ghz for the 2500k and 4.5Ghz for the 3570k) There is no difference in performance, but the Sandybridge processer is noticably less expensive. 

 

The OP asked what chip is better bang for buck, you replied saying that ivybridge is and gave a link to a comparison of both chips running heavily overclocked using Liquid Nitrogen.

You sir are a spanner.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Do you see the irony in this?

You're getting butthurt that I gave a link to a comparison of both chips running at 4.5GHz or "heavily overclocked", yet in your argument you say max safe/average clock on good air cooling is 4.5Ghz - 4.8Ghz.

Let me make this simple for you:

For around twenty dollars more, you may get anything from 4% - 8% (probably higher) better performance at stock speeds, 4.0Ghz, 4.1Ghz, 4.2Ghz, all the way up to around 4.5Ghz "on good air cooling" - which  you stated by choosing Ivy over Sandy.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Elias; "I did not read the OP and thread title where he stated he wanted to overclock his CPU"

So you make a post about Ivy being better (althoug not bang for buck which is what the thread is about) and as evidence post a link to the CPU's running extremely overclocked with Liquid Nitrogoen?

You spanner *Nods head slowly* That my friend is irony.

Lets make this simple for you;

1. Its not $20 more, its $35+

2. Ivybrige doesnt overclcok as high as Sandybridge on air cooling because its temps get too high.

3. When both Sandybridge and Ivybridge are overclocked on air to average cool/stable overclocks they are on par.

Sandybridge is better bang for buck... just the way it is mate.

Although if you are buying new and money isnt a concern then get the latest Ivybridge.

But if you either are buying second hand or want the best bang for buck get Sandybridge.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Okay, seriously..wtf is a spanner..

Does the OP want to overclock? If no, go with Ivy Bridge. If Yes, how high? Under 4.5, go with ivy bridge. Over 4.5, go with Sandy Bridge. I highly doubt he will be going over 4.5, because he would then at least have some knowledge of the cpus and probably woudlnt even be asking.

There we go, done.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Its not as simple as that.

You cant just say "Does he want to overclcok to 4.5Ghz?" because they are both different processors.....

Thats like comparing the 8150 Bulldozer and i7 2600k and saying "If you are overclocking to 4.5Ghz then this is better....ect" It is completely irrelevant, the clock speed is irrelevnt when overclcoking and comparing different CPU's, its how high you can overclcok without the chip getting too hot, its the heat that is relevant.

Thats just stupid... What you mean is, does the OP want to overclcok to a certain temperiture that is nice and stabe/safe or not overclcok.

In overclockablity terms a Sandybridge at 4.5Ghz is the same as an Ivy Bridge at 4.3 Ghz because they will both be about the same heat.    

A Sandy bridge at 4.5Ghz is allot cooler than an Ivy Bridge at 4.5 Ghz, you dont just say "I want to clock to 4.5Ghz" for no reason.... You say "I want to clock to a nice stable and not to hot value"   Which if you are comparing an Ivybridge at 4.5Ghz, is 4.7Ghz for Sandybridge, not 4.5

 

 

The fact you just said what you did striked me as you really don't have much knowledge of CPU's.... that is pretty amature stuff.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

You're giving me and my cowokers a great laugh haha.

Comparing a 3570K to a 2500K is not like comparing 8150 to 2600K, lol.

Yes, the heat is relevent. Lets say ivy bridge can overclock to (I don't even know why I have to talk about overclocking when OP never even mentioned it) max stable at 50c (just a random number), which lets say is 4.5ghz. Now lets do the same with sandy and lets say that comes out to be 4.7ghz. Which will perform better?

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Your not a very clever troll.

 

And yes, thats the entire point, when both are overclocked, (in this example Ivy at 4.5 and Sandy at 4.7) They are on par with eachother, and even then the Sandybridge will likely have less heat spikes and overall be cooler.

Sandybridge costs less, and performs on par when both overclocked.

 

Also, the majority of gamers who know what a CPU is and are buying their system from the ground up overclock as standard. So you tell me smarty pants, where does it say he isn't going to overclock?

Even then, with both chips at stock the difference in performance is very minimal and Sandybridge at the price its at compared is still better value for money performance wise, and there for better bang for buck at either stock, or overclocked. (Unless going crazy and using DICE or a phase unit)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=551

posted 1 year 11 months ago

*my bad, didnt reply to you

I'm honestly not trolling.

You're right, he didn't mention that he won't overclock, nor did he mention that he would.

Sandy Bridge does cost less, but we are talking about bang for the buck, BANG for the buck.. Faster (respectively), PCIE 3.0, native usb 3.0, intel hd 4000 lol, etc.

 

posted 1 year 11 months ago

"Comparing a 3570K to a 2500K is not like comparing 8150 to 2600K, lol."  Your'e either mentally retarded, stupid, or are trolling in a poor way.

Best bang for buck right now at the price it is, is Sandybridge and its very commanly known. PCI3 is useless (specially if your considering bang for buck, you wont have four $500 GPU's) Onboard graphics isn't a consideration for gaming as it still very poor and an AMD APU would be far better, otherwise its a small boost that would most likely be usless to the OP. Native USB 3 is no reason to pay the extra.

Whats better bang for buck? There isn't any question or argument about it right now its Sandybridge, although as I said if your buying new and money isn't an option then go for the latest, but SB is more for the money.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

OK thanks guys

posted 1 year 11 months ago

Here's a comparison between sandy and ivy:

 

If you're overclocking, then get sandy. If you're not overclocking, then get ivy.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

seriously, I remmember back in the day difference was seen between only Dual Core intels and AMDs now adays we have so much power , can you even notice a difference?

posted 1 year 11 months ago

I think this concludes that the Sandy bridge is better as better over clocker and even more cheaper. SO i probbaly be going with that. THe only thing that I am worried is about PCI 3.0. Do you think it is a big deal or I should leave. 

posted 1 year 11 months ago

There's no point in PCI-E 3.0 unless you're going to be running dual GTX 690's.

posted 1 year 11 months ago

THen what chipset should i go with. Z66 or Z67?

posted 1 year 11 months ago

As Vortex said, PCI3 is no use to you.

Its up to you really... get a Z77 if you want the latest and greatest.

But if I was you personally I would save money and get an i5 2500k and Z68 and put the saving towards the GPU, the difference between IvyBridge and a Z77 baord and SandyBridge and a Z68 board is very little but the latter is allot less expensive, putting that extra momney towards a better GPU would net allot more performance boost.